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[elmono311]

Okay, this is just getting out of hand. Ryan Newman is ruining the Busch Series. More so than any of the other Buschwhackers. Every Busch race he's been in this season he's won. There's pretty much no point for these other guys trying to win. It also shows the only series Newman can win in is the Busch series this year (Stewart should have had last race's win). And I have always been against the Buschwhackers... taking up points and wins.

[RichN]

Waaah, waaah, waah.  Why does Stewart, Johnson, etc run Busch?  I don't see you complaining about them?  Is it just because Newman is winning, and not popping an engine?  I had this same complaint about Buschwackers quite some time ago, and you defended the Buschwackers.  Which way do you want it, Newman-hater?  NEWMAN ROCKS!

[elmono311]

I just said in my post I have never liked Cup drivers in the Busch Series so I don't see where I was defending the other drivers.

[elmono311]

Now it's totally ridiculous. Newman won his fifth straight Busch race. It's to the point the regular Busch drivers should just pack it up and go home whenever this moron races

[disnut8]

RichN and I were sitting in Lake Park, GA wondering just how fast you were going to generate a post.  Very fast.  He was even on the phone with Vengeance talking about it.  Question - does Newman run with his same crew at Busch that he does at Nextel?  Can't remember if it's Rubby or Newman that uses the Busch series as training for future crew members.

Yeah, maybe Newman is "stealing" points away from from the other Busch drivers but that's the same thing as Boris Said only doing road races in Nextel.  Sorry, I don't like Newman (only because RichN does) but you gotta look at it from the other side as well.

[elmono311]

At least Boris Said has his own car and is doing a part-time schedule this year. But the Cup level is different from the Busch level and they're not stealing points away from the Cup drivers on road courses. It's the same as any of the field fillers who come in to race. If David Stremme, who was driving a part-time car, finished well at Charlotte, would you be saying he stole points from the other Cup drivers? He's not a full time driver in that series, is he? It's not like the road course drivers are coming from a higher series than the Cup Series to race. The Busch series is pretty much the minor leagues of the Cup Series. You don't see Major League Baseball players playing in a minor league game just because they feel like it. The only way that happens is if they got injured and need rehab.

[disnut8]

Good point about the major league baseball players.  RichN had mentioned that too but I forgot about that aspect.  But do the Bushwhackers use their Nextel crews?  I think Stewart did - I don't think Newman, Junior, or Rubby did.  Just a question, not a personal attack.

[elmono311]

I don't think in the Busch Series the teams can use their Cup crew. I know there's been times when a Busch Series crew has been used in the Cup Series. Tony Stewart really can't use his crew since he's not driving for Joe Gibbs Racing in the Busch Series, he mostly drives for Kevin Harvick Racing.

[RichN]

Quit whining about Newman.  Until Stewart, Kenseth, Harvick, Mikey, etc, quit racing Busch, then where's the argument?  Just because Newman can beat the regular Buschwhackers every time he's out there?  Must say something about those other guys.

[elmono311]

Once again, when was I defending Stewart, Kenseth, Harvick, Waltrip, etc. for racing in the Busch Series? If Stewart kept winning in the Busch Series, I'd be complaining about that, too. I can see only one reason why a Cup driver should race in the Busch Series: If that driver is a rookie in the Cup series and needs more seat time, like Carl Edwards.

[disnut8]

Even though I'm a Junior fan (yes, he's my favorite driver, I'll admit it now - it's the Wrangler jeans ads), I found it hard to believe he was racing in the Busch race at Charlotte.  Why?  Because he just wanted an advantage to see how the track was.  Then why doesn't he do that with every single double race of the season?  Very unusual to see that 81 car out there.  Don't know what the solution should be but the Whackers aren't doing the Busch series any good at all.  Any of them.  Run the full season or at least 3/4 of it (because of the distance of races some weeks) or just don't do it.  They could be taking a place away from a promising younger driver and NASCAR needs those drivers to develop.  I like Mikey but there's no way in hell he should be driving Busch.  The only Labonte out there is Justin, as it should be.  Kenny Wallace drives Busch but he very rarely will be in Nextel.  I want to see a good race, not total domination.  It's like any sport.  Whackers need to take a step back.  Maybe they should just have more practice sessions or something so the Nextel guys can get a feel for the track instead of taking over the Busch races.

Boy, do I feel better for venting.

[elmono311]

NASCAR said they're trying to figure out something for next year so the Buschwhackers don't have as much of an impact on the races. I say if you're in the top 35 in Cup series points, you can only run three to five Busch Series races and you only get a third to a half of the winnings. The only exception to this would be drivers in their first year of Cup racing. They can run full-time in the Busch Series if it's their first full-time year in Cup racing.

[disnut8]

NASCAR does react to their problems, even if it's later than the fans want it to be.  I'd be happy with restricting how many races the Whackers can be in.  I see you qualified the full-time Nextel cup drivers so you exempt Edwards from that "rule" this year.  Sneaky little cuss, aren't you?

[elmono311]

Yup

[RichN]

I never said you were defending the Whackers.  Just that you should quit whining about Newman for a change.  I agree totally that Busch should be the development "league" it's supposed to be.  Erin Crocker has been moved to other circuits due to the impact of the Whackers.  Her team feels she wouldn't get a fair chance to compete against Cup drivers.  Get them outta there!

[Vengeance]

Newman sucks. He's a cold person in his interviews and he thinks he's top shit when really he's only average. I'll bet he thinks he's 'legend' material and he's not.

I just thought I'd drop in my non-whiny thoughts and go straight to bitchy.

Actually, Newman is the appropriate one to be drawing the heat right now because he's the one that's winning and taking the most money away from struggling Busch teams that don't make nearly the money that the guys do in Nextel Cup.

Yes, I know that's a good point. My father in law made it to me on the phone during the last Busch race. 

[elmono311]

Greg Biffle was doing the same thing at the beginning of the year. Winning races and entrenching himself in the top 10 in Busch Series points. It took months for him to finally get knocked out of the Busch Series top 10 despite the fact he ran less races than the guys under him.

[RichN]

Nobody on this board has ever met this guy, but he's the object of such hatred.  Kind of like politics.

[elmono311]

So you're saying just because you've never met the BTK Killer, you shouldn't hate him?

[Vengeance]

I'm going to say that's a serious reach...but we base decisions during elections on what we think of a person by their interviews and such so I don't see why we can't do the same with athletes.

[elmono311]

[RichN]

So you're saying just because you've never met the BTK Killer, you shouldn't hate him?

Who the hell is that?  Guess my interest in sports has kept me away from the "real" news.

[elmono311]

How do you not know who he is? His trial was all over the news recently. When they caught him months ago, it was all over the news.

[disnut8]

He honestly did not know.  I had to explain it to him.  I think he thought it had some to do with Burger King.

Pure torture with RichN.  Him wearing a Ryan Newman ball cap and us putting a Kurt Busch sunshade on the car.  He's on notice that next weekend, plenty of #8 and #24 stuff will be purchased at AMS to decorate our house, car, bedroom, bathroom, and me.

[elmono311]

Well, Burger King does have freaky King guy that just shows up out of nowhere. He's one of the freakiest mascots ever created.