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« on: Dec 29, 2006, 09:33 AM »

To continue another thread.  Yes, Charles Manson is eligible for parole in 2007.  For those who have been living on another planet, Manson was convicted of conspiracy to murder in the 1969 murders of Sharon Tate (actress and wife of Roman Polanski and eight and a half months pregnant), Steve Parent, Wojciech Frykowski, Abigail Folger (heiress to the Folger coffee company), Jay Sebring, Leno LaBianca, and Rosemary LaBianca.  There is no evidence to put Manson at the scene of either murder (the LaBianca's were killed the night after the first five).

Manson will be 73 at the time of his next parole hearing.  He had been denied parole in the past, most recently in 2002.

The so-called Manson "Family" has been dismantled for quite some time.  In an ironic note, one of Manson's follower's, Lynnette "Squeaky" Fromme tried to assignate then President Gerald Ford.  She would have done it easily if her gun hadn't jammed.

So, Manson is 73, his only living relative, a son, committed suicide in 1993.  He's old, he's served his time and he was never convicted of even one murderous blow or stab wound.  He's not on death row and never has been.

I've read the excellent book "Helter Skelter" by Vincent Bugliosi (he was the prosecutor for the Manson trial) several times.  It's disturbing.  If you haven't read it, do so.  Just don't do it at night.  More horrific than Stephen King.

But, let's pull out the 21st century's defenses these days.  I'm playing devil's advocate right now because I'd like to see the bastard locked up until his dying day.  But just think of it.  He's 73 years old, lost the only son he's ever going to have, lost his "family", it was the late 60s and people were always stoned and, more importantly, "it was a different time".  Or, what about incompetant legal counsel?  Why didn't his lawyer use the insanity defense?

Manson's IQ may have been tested at only 109 but the man is smart.  I'll bet he's spent the last five years thinking of a way to get out.  He's got plenty.

Talk amoungst yourselves.

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« Reply #1 on: Dec 29, 2006, 12:28 PM »

Keep him in there
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 29, 2006, 12:31 PM »

If he wasn't a murderer then, he'll surely have reason to kill now if he feels he was wrongly incarcerated all these years.  His defense should definitely gone with an insanity plea.  I wouldn't put it past him if they did parole him for him to kill as many people as he could to make up for all those years he's lost.

I agree elemono, keep him in there.  CM is one crazy Mo Fo.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 29, 2006, 12:56 PM »

As disnut mentioned, Manson is up for parole soon, but so is one of his ladies...


Once notorious, now footnotes
The two women who tried to assassinate Ford have come to embody an era's extremism.

By John M. Glionna and Larry Gordon
Times Staff Writers
Published December 29, 2006

They are joined in a strange sisterhood by a pair of unhinged acts: In the autumn of 1975, 17 days apart, each tried to assassinate President Ford, who died this week at age 93.

Today, Lynette Alice "Squeaky" Fromme and Sara Jane Moore are serving life sentences in federal prisons in Texas and California, respectively. The once headline-grabbing names have become historical footnotes embodying the extremism of a tumultuous era.

Three decades ago, Fromme was a red-haired flower child from Santa Monica, a Charles Manson handmaiden who gouged an X in her forehead in devotion to the mastermind of the Tate-LaBianca murders.

Moore was an accountant, divorced numerous times and a mother of four. Of her attempt on Ford's life, she said, "There comes a point where the only way you can make a statement is to pick up a gun."

Although the two would-be killers' roots are different, their plots were both symptoms of the 1970s, the "goofiest decade of the century for California … in terms of its sheer ominous weirdness," said Kevin Starr, USC history professor and state librarian emeritus.

"Moore's style was middle-class, whereas Squeaky Fromme was a genuine cultist. Moore represented the individual derangement of the period and Squeaky the social derangement," said Starr. The assassination attempts — Fromme's in Sacramento and Moore's in San Francisco — also contributed to "an atmosphere of lawlessness" in Northern California, Starr said, compounded by such 1970s events as the Patty Hearst kidnapping, the slaying of San Francisco Mayor George Moscone and the mass suicide of the Jonestown cultists.

Others say the acts symbolized an unraveling of American society in the aftermath of Watergate and the Vietnam War.

"A lot of people were rolling around unmoored, finding a reason to believe there was a political or conspiratorial explanation for their inner upheaval and concluding if they could only act on their impulse, they could save the world," said Todd Gitlin, professor of journalism and sociology at Columbia University and a former leader of the Students for a Democratic Society whose books include "The Sixties: Years of Hope, Days of Rage."

Fromme, now 58, became the first woman to try to assassinate a U.S. president when on Sept. 5, 1975, she burst through a crowd at the state Capitol, dressed in a nun's robe and with a .45-caliber pistol strapped to her left leg.

She pointed the weapon at Ford from two feet away. Though it was loaded, there was no bullet in the firing chamber. A Secret Service agent disarmed her and slapped her in handcuffs.

At her sentencing, when the judge said he believed she would have killed Ford if she could have, Fromme shouted: "You fool! I'm trying to save your life!" She later threw an apple, hitting the federal prosecutor on the head.

In 1987, after hearing rumors that Manson was dying of cancer, Fromme briefly escaped from prison in Alderson, W.Va., in an attempt to see the former cult leader. Eight years earlier, Moore also briefly escaped from the facility.

Now at Federal Medical Center Carswell in Fort Worth, Fromme has been eligible for parole since the mid-1980s but has yet to request her freedom.

"Her position has been consistent: She didn't kill anyone and is not sorry. She's not asking for sympathy, mercy or a second chance," said Jess Bravin, author of "Squeaky: The Life and Times of Lynette Alice Fromme."

"She says she didn't intend to kill Ford. She felt she was taking important symbolic acts, calling attention to acts she considered out of line in the world: the continued incarceration of Charles Manson and what she perceived as Ford's hostile policies toward the environment."

Moore, 76, is at the Federal Correctional Institution in Dublin, a low-security facility for women about 30 miles east of San Francisco. Officials there would say only that she is part of the general population, lives in a cell with two or three other people and works prison jobs seven hours a day, five days a week.

Moore could be released Sept. 21 if she applies for parole and the U.S. Parole Commission decides she has a good prison record and is not likely to commit another crime. "If she does apply, we can still say no," said Tom Hutchison, the commission's chief of staff.

She grew up in comfortable circumstances in Charleston, W.Va., where she is remembered as smart but aloof. She became an accountant and later an FBI informant. While living in the Bay Area, she became involved in radical politics and volunteered for a group that oversaw the distribution of $2 million in food, a ransom demanded by the Symbionese Liberation Army after its kidnapping of newspaper heiress Hearst.

Moore fired at Ford on Sept. 22, 1975, as the president was leaving a speaking engagement at the St. Francis Hotel. Her single shot from a .38 revolver missed after Oliver Sipple, a disabled Vietnam War veteran, grabbed her arm and pulled her down. (In the publicity, newspapers identified Sipple as gay, and he later unsuccessfully sued for invasion of privacy.)

Federal public defenders were preparing an insanity defense for Moore, who had received psychiatric treatment several times in the past, but she pleaded guilty over her lawyers' objections. As she was sentenced to life in prison, Moore expressed mixed feelings about her actions.

"Am I sorry I tried?" she said. "Yes and no. Yes, because it accomplished little except to throw away the rest of my life…. And, no, I'm not sorry I tried, because at the time it seemed a correct expression of my anger."

In a jailhouse interview, Moore said she had not been inspired by Fromme, whom she called "insane" and described as "seeking all that attention."

Frank Bell, one of Moore's former federal public defenders, recalled her as "a cipher, a question mark," whose reasoning raised doubts about her sanity. "Her conduct was sort of a shopping list: 'Take my son to school, shoot the president, pick up my son from school,' " said Bell.

Both she and Fromme were united as characters, along with other presidential assailants, in the Stephen Sondheim musical "Assassins," which won a Tony Award in 2004 for best musical revival. In that show, Moore is portrayed as a bumbler who has trouble even finding the gun in her purse and Fromme as a fanatic who sings of her "Charlie."

In the end, neither assassination attempt hurt Ford or changed his policies. In an interview with Bravin, Ford said Fromme's actions that September day probably boosted his public standing.

"He said for better or worse, he wasn't an emotional guy and that he didn't get that excited" about the incidents, Bravin said.

"It was frightening when it happened, but he moved on."
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 29, 2006, 01:57 PM »

Sara Jane Moore is not a party of Manson's "family".  Her reasons are far beyond comprehension.

Squeaky Fromme "inherited" the "family" from Manson once he was again back in prison.  She tried to make a statement, almost did it, and is now paying for it.  She never did kill anyone.  She was there, with Manson, planning the Tate-Labianco murders.  But she was never proven to be on the site, just like Mason.  Other than a few minor arrests, she was free and clear until the attempt to assinate Ford.  The "family" died when she went to prison for that charge.  Again, she is eligible for parole for her crime.  She was only convicted once of attempted murder.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 29, 2006, 02:02 PM »

But hasn't he mellowed through the years?  Found himself?  Made peace with God?  Do we know?
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 29, 2006, 02:05 PM »

I merged them because Vengeance kept bugging me to merge them
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