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[disnut8]

$20,000??!!!!!! And probation until December 31?  Doesn't NASCAR realize the season ends on November 19th?  What the hell is $20K to Edwards?  He was an idiot.  OK, I want to say more but I'll refrain.  No, I won't.  He was a dick!!!!!!!!  No loss in points?  Stupid!!!!  Junior did nothing wrong.  Nothing.  Yes, I'm a Junior fan but he still didn't do anything wrong.  My gosh, the man was trying to TALK to Edwards after the race.  Did anyone else see the replay of the Edwards' "love tap" after the race?  Had me freaking out.  Edwards needs a big ass chill pill.

Elmono will now flame me big time.  I'm pissed.

[jitspoe]

Turn left... turn left... turn left... turn left... turn left.

Sorry, I just can't get into it.

[elmono311]

Hmmm, I just realized they didn't dock him points. As for what Edwards did, the sport needs this. I'm tired of NASCAR being such pansies. They seemed to have forgotten the fight on the infield after the 1979 Daytona 500. You know, the fight that suddenly made NASCAR popular. Plus, how was Edwards supposed to know Junior's hand was outside the window anyway? I just find it funny that one moment Edwards did his usual aw-shucks-we'll-get-them-next-time speech and then proceeded to get into an argument with Junior in victory lane. And... Junior's hand was up on top of the window, where they usually put their hands. As in their smart enough not to let their hands dangle down from the windows. When they have their hand gripping the top roll bar, another car can't come in contact with that part... unless the driver pulls a Cole Trickle and slams into the car.

[Vengeance]

Oh disnut....poor poor disnut...you're so obviously a newer fan.

Sorry, but I love this stuff! It's the old NASCAR and it was started by freaking criminals! I think a bit of the rough stuff is just what this sport needs. You're right. Edwards was a dick. Thank GOD!!!!!!!!!! I'm betting he made Senior so proud because he's got to be shamed by his pansy son.

[disnut8]

I have officially disowned my son and daughter-in-law.  Maybe I'm just too nice (ha!!!) but Edwards was a dick.  Simple as that.  A dick.  I'll go further.  He was a prick.  Bastard.  Idiot.  I guess the next time someone gets a brush back pitch in baseball, you'll be cheering.  Sorry, doesn't cut it.

[elmono311]

I don't see how he was a dick. Humans have emotions the last I checked. Edwards was going for the win and he was spun out. If Kenseth went out and did the same thing to Gordon at Chicagoland, I would have never thought less of Kenseth.

[Vengeance]

I have officially disowned my son and daughter-in-law.  Maybe I'm just too nice (ha!!!) but Edwards was a dick.  Simple as that.  A dick.  I'll go further.  He was a prick.  Bastard.  Idiot.  I guess the next time someone gets a brush back pitch in baseball, you'll be cheering.  Sorry, doesn't cut it.

I don't watch baseball, but I love racing! And I love how the pansies are losing their hold over some of the new drivers. Bring back the good old days! hehehe

[disnut8]

You probably didn't see the Speed pre-race show.  Jimmy Spencer and Kenny Wallace - two of the "old time drivers" agree with me.  Basically, they both said that Edwards was stupid.  Kenny said it best - "you don't go after a driver at the same race.  You wait a couple of races, usually two, and then you get him.  Edwards was stupid for doing it at the end of the race."  Jimmy said that if it was Edwards in the second car, damn right he would have spun out Junior.  That's racing.  So why did Edwards get so damn mad?  That was Jimmy's point.  Once again I say that Junior did absolutely nothing wrong.  Edwards was a hothead and was stupid.  Maybe he needed to smash into other cars as well.  I don't think I'd see Kasey Kahne or Denny Hamlin pulling the shit Edwards did.

[elmono311]

Actually, I do see Kasey Kahne doing something like that. He's done things quite close before. The other times his crew chief... er, I mean, team director (silly Evernham) manages to calm him down first.

[Vengeance]

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, hold on....Jimmy Spencer...you're listening to Jimmy Spencer?!?!?! This is a guy who walked up to a guy after a race and PUNCHED him! And trust me, from watching years of Jimmy race it's hilarious that he would act like Edwards shouldn't be mad. I mean, Jimmy would have done SO much worse. He's just gotten soft and he only said that because he wishes he was back out there wrecking everyone in his path and everyone who passes him.

As for Kenny, he wasn't saying Edwards was stupid for retaliating. He just said he should have held onto his temper and then slammed into Junior. Kenny was trying to find a way around getting punished, not around being pissed.

[disnut8]

Jimmy point blank said that he himself has a temper problem.  The other two guys flat out laughed.  But he did say that he learned from all that and blowing up at someone right after a race before you've had a chance to see the replay was stupid.

And I'm not saying Edwards didn't deserve to be pissed.  He just got knocked out of the Chase.  So did Kurt Busch.  It was the way Edwards handled himself.  Come on, is everyone supposed to just bang into a car they think did something wrong to them?  Jack Rousch said Edwards is still pissed at Tony Stewart for Pocono and that's why he was so upset with Junior.  Yeah, I see that it's fine for Edwards to explode but let someone else do it that you don't like and it's not cool.  I wish Junior would have shoved Edwards right on his stupid ass.  But Junior walked away.  If that makes him a pansy, I'll take it.  To me, it shows signs of maturity and a desire to race, not fight.

[elmono311]

Come on, is everyone supposed to just bang into a car they think did something wrong to them?

Yes

[disnut8]

Well, Junior's not the one on double secret probation and I can't wait to see what happens a few races from now when Junior is in the chase and Edwards is sitting his sorry ass in the #99 thinking "I wonder what if......"  And I'll never forgive Edwards for entering someone else's Victory Lane and cussing up a storm.  That's just plain flat out wrong.

[elmono311]

I bet it's happened before

[Vengeance]

That's just plain flat out wrong.

The whole sport is flat out wrong. All the sports out there were created to play games and to relax and have fun. Racing was created to break the law. Edwards is showing a lot more restraint when it comes to retaliation than the creators of the sport would have. Rules and manners just made racing tame enough to get a bigger fan base.

[disnut8]

You keep going back to the creators of the sport.  Which was back in the moonshine days.  So we got NASCAR.  Are we also supposed to adopt all the bigotry that was back then?  Should I have sat in Atlanta and held my breath when Bill Lester was qualifying because I knew the n-word was going to be said (and it was, right behind me)?  Times change and people change with them.  If Edwards wants to be a thug, he can be a thug.  Just don't take other people with you.

I would also imagine you guys watch hockey just to see a fight break out.

[elmono311]

Well, that's what hockey is about

[disnut8]

And I'm sure if they had gladiators today, you'd be out there watching them.  Love the bull runs in Spain.  Hell, think about it - even duels had some rules to be followed.  Not written ones, but ones that required a certain measure of dignity.  That's what Edwards is missing.  Dignity.  And respect for other drivers.  You'll never see it because you're stuck on the "this is great for the sport and TV".  In my opinion, it isn't.  It just turns what should be a sport into a freak show.

[elmono311]

So you're saying just because Junior is the son of Dale Earnhardt, he should be exempted from having to deal with drivers who have every right to be angry at him? Try to drive these cars and have the pressure of making the Chase... especially after making it last year and with all these expectations piled on you. I know it was a Busch race but he does have to compete with Junior at the Cup level.

[disnut8]

When did I ever say Junior should get special treatment because he's an Earnhardt?  In fact, I didn't like it when the commentators said "does he know who he's yelling at?"  If Junior had done something wrong, then I can see all the commotion.  The thing was, he didn't.  Robby Gordon could have done the same thing and my feelings would be the same as they are with the Edwards/Junior incident.  No one should get special treatment.  All I'm saying is that Edwards needs a little more class and a lot less anger.  Lots of people thought Edwards would get a rest this weekend and were surprised at the paltry fine and nothing else.  And I'm sure BOTH Edwards and Junior will be watched tonight at Bristol.  That would be an easy place to get revenge.

[elmono311]

He's not allowed to be angry after getting spun out at the end of the race? There's been numerous cases of drivers being angry this year let alone any past year. Like Jeff Gordon after the first Bristol race. Or Clint Bowyer after the second Pocono race. Or Matt Kenseth after Chicagoland. They get back at drivers any way they can. Heck, pretty boy Kahne has used his car to exact some of his anger at least once this year. And I've seen drivers make like they're going to run over another driver, who is out of his car and yelling at him on the track. I've seen helmets and HANS devices thrown at cars. I've seen drivers take themselves out just to take another guy out who wrong them. And I've also seen numerous incidents of another driver side checking another driver under caution and they never received much crap about it as Edwards is.

[disnut8]

Of course Edwards has a right to be angry.  If Junior had done something wrong.  Edwards hadn't even seen a replay before he went out and shoved himself into Junior.  Edwards has apologized to Junior.  Enough said.

Did you see about the Little Leaguer who used the f-bomb that was picked up by the telecast during the game?  I think on the Braves announcers said it best on the radio telecast as we were driving home today.  He said that it's fine to get upset and to want to win but don't make someone else pay the freight for your anger.  I could't agree more.  Fortunately, Junior made out OK.  I certainly don't hope there are kids out there that are impressed with Edwards' behavior and take it on any sports field anywhere.  I'd feel the same way if Junior had cussed someone out in Victory Lane.  He said the word "shit" and was fined more than Edwards.  He took it.

[elmono311]

I still wonder why you're so focused on what Edwards did when so many other drivers have done the same thing